Can you slit open with a rapier

Dagger and sword techniques demonstrated by the Dreynschlag group from Vienna:

  • @ edwin2
    Thanks for the enlightening words, they just didn't help me. What are the characteristics of the techniques in the videos? Besides being 400 to 500 years old?
    Besides, you have the kindness to point me out of a typo and then do ... how many?
  • You can understand that when you practice it. For example, very shortly after the opponent's weapon is blocked, the opponent's body is severely restricted, I say. In a moment, so to speak. An opponent without a knife without a usable hand is practically no longer capable of acting.

    You will then understand much better how effective the techniques are. The techniques are very ultimate. There is a big difference to today.

    Different comparison sword vs rapier. Or head off vs prick in the arm. That's what I mean by ultimate.
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    the_playstation wrote:

    You wouldn't even recognize a good technique if a professional explained it to you 10 times on your own body.

    the_playstation wrote:

    That was an objective analysis of the inability to comprehend what was shown in the videos.


    I watched the first 5 videos.
    Is it correct that the attacked every time is seriously injured in his defensive arm?
    You can see that very clearly in slow motion. If the attacker had a real knife, he would always slit the arm of the defender.
    Is that accepted on purpose?

    Especially blatant with this one:


    The defender would get a deep stab in the arm with a real knife.

    Greetings Udo
    The closer you are to the truth, the more believable you are.

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  • It's actually the other way around. The attacked person is no longer able to hold his knife when attacking. Can I do a training exercise to show you why this is so, if the technique is used correctly. Describing this verbally is a bit difficult. To feel it (simulated with rubber knives) is much more illuminating.

    To put it briefly. The knife has a sharp edge that only points in one direction. Nothing happens tangential to her. In addition, there are no movements. Knife and arm stand still in relation to each other.

    Without movement / still one can even catch and hold a sword. In principle, however, minimal scratches would be possible.

    If the result is (me) 1x scratch and opponent = fin, then that is also acceptable. Better than waving, where both suffered various massive injuries. There is always a risk with a knife attack. The aim is to minimize this as much as possible. You don't get it at 0%.

    Greetings Play
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  • if you can still prepare, wrap your jacket around your armor.

    otherwise the stop is the victim poor.

    it's about survival and not about a beauty top.

    srt you can leave the playstation alone and get yourself a life of your own instead of hacking around on other people.

    Instead, show what you know so that you can see whether you are a fool or if you have something in some area. I miss that so far.

    greetings edwin
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    Anyway, every time the defender is injured if that were a dagger or a knife.
    With all 5 videos, as you can see very clearly in slow motion.
    I just want to know whether this is deliberately accepted?

    Greetings Udo
    The closer you are to the truth, the more believable you are.

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  • but you are right about one thing. a 500 year old knife combat book refers to the techniques

    even on the enemy weapons that were available at the time and their protective equipment on the body, that is no longer available today. there is no one walking around with a sword or sword or in armor at night.

    insofar, one would have to learn the current knife fight for today's threats adapted to current possible opponents ...

    greetings edwin
  • the_playstation wrote:

    Do you have to break every tread? Didn't you get any toys in kindergarten? Have you ever thought of doing something productive instead of filling ALL threads with OT?
    Respect!
    Play finally understood how SV works!
    Because that's exactly what someone threw at him once. And now he's flying back.
    Sorry, but I couldn't help myself.
  • Udo.

    It may look like this in slow motion. In fact, nothing usually happens. I even tested the techniques with a sharp dagger (only on the attacker). The defender's must !!!! be made of rubber, or a spoon or a stick, .... Otherwise very bad injuries to the attacker.

    You have to experience this in practice (simulated). The force vectors are also important. For example, the opponent wanted to stab from above. Hence its force / displacement vector is clear and defined. The whole thing has a lot to do with biomechanics and force vectors.

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  • Udo1865

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    That doesn't convince me. I see what I see
    It may be that the touch can only be weak and brief, but it cannot be guaranteed, because no one can always fend off it that cleanly.

    I think the "keep my distance" method is better. For me this means: I prefer to use a telescopic baton and strike with a greater range from a distance.

    Greetings Udo
    The closer you are to the truth, the more believable you are.

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  • Bad decision Udo. Those who refuse to commit lose between 93% and 97% in freefights.
    Note that the force-displacement vectors are incorrect when pointing. Many techniques work the better the more the opponent tries to attack you. That is not the case in pseudo slow motion.

    Come over. Then I will show you.

    Greetings Play
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  • I'm afraid Play is right.
    What use is defense techniques from a distance if the attacker is at
    Hand-to-hand combat is experienced and trained. Nothing!
  • Udo1865

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    I jump backwards, what's the problem? Videos have already been shown here on how to avoid a knife attack. Away from the knife. Defense from a distance.

    If someone is so close with a knife that he can stab surprisingly immediately, any defense is obsolete.
    Exactly if you are attacked by surprise, no more chance to defend yourself, the knife hits really badly at least once.

    EDIT: Since I have no idea, you could be right and I do not want to vehemently contradict this.

    Anyway, I avoid situations like this, and should things really get worse, there are other very effective final defenses.

    Greetings Udo
    The closer you are to the truth, the more believable you are.

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  • Hello Udo.

    Of course you can back down / dodge. You should keep your distance. That's the problem. Moving backwards is slower than moving forward. The knife attacker or melee will try to stay below this distance, which makes your baton less effective. And that is what He will achieve as He acts forward.

    Greetings Play
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  • Udo1865

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    Yes, but I have the greater range. Before he can reach me, the baton hits the head or body and after the first blow I definitely don't stop thrashing myself.
    One thing is clear, of course: If I don't hit him effectively right away and he comes up in spite of my backing away, things get nauseous.
    I hate fights with an uncertain outcome.
    I would never get involved, that's why I always use the strongest means. Regardless of whether the attacker uses hands, knives or something else.

    Greetings Udo
    The closer you are to the truth, the more believable you are.

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  • It will happen that you could hit him 2-3 times, he will block your hits, and then it's your turn. And then it would be uncomfortable for you. Especially since your weapon is not very effective. It's just a scenario.

    If the opponent is bad, has no idea, it's not a problem. But you can't / shouldn't assume that.

    Either whiz or keep an argument as short as possible.

    Greetings Play
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  • edwin2 wrote:

    Instead, show what you know so that you can see whether you are a fool or if you have what it takes in some area. I miss that so far.

    greetings edwin
    Why should I care what you think of me?
    To put it more clearly, you only know about me what I allow you to know.
    I don't want to show you what areas I'm good at.
    So you will continue to miss it. Learn to live with it.